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Would this explain the recent emerge of a large number of packages?

Bit of a shock the number involved.

 

Yes, if you are using the desktop or workstation flavor, or have manually added the media mix-in. Though the actual USE flag additions weren't extremely dramatic, but probably affected quite a few packages.

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Yes, I was a little perturbed that the number of packages that got dragged in last update.  I was already able to play all the video and audio files that I regularly encounter but the last emerge pulled in something like 50 new packages.  That's a bit of a pain for someone who tries to keep things slim.

 

Looking at my selected profiles it shows the media mix-in as auto, presumably from the selected workstation profile, but should it now show some of the mediadevice mix-ins as auto as well?

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Yes, I was a little perturbed that the number of packages that got dragged in last update.  I was already able to play all the video and audio files that I regularly encounter but the last emerge pulled in something like 50 new packages.  That's a bit of a pain for someone who tries to keep things slim.

 

Indeed. Perhaps there would not be so many if these mix-ins were enabled just after the first reboot following a fresh Funtoo install.

 

 

 

Looking at my selected profiles it shows the media mix-in as auto, presumably from the selected workstation profile, but should it now show some of the mediadevice mix-ins as auto as well?

 

I had wondered that as well!

Reading the contents of the parent file within /usr/portage/profile/funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/media/ suggests to me that the "plain" media mix-in is the same as enabling the 2 mediadevice-foo-consumer mix-ins and the 3 mediaformat-foo-common mix-ins. Perhaps in the near future the original "plain" media mix-in should be depreciated in favour of the new media mix-ins.

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Indeed. Perhaps there would not be so many if these mix-ins were enabled just after the first reboot following a fresh Funtoo install.

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Reading the contents of the parent file within /usr/portage/profile/funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/media/ suggests to me that the "plain" media mix-in is the same as enabling the 2 mediadevice-foo-consumer mix-ins and the 3 mediaformat-foo-common mix-ins. Perhaps in the near future the original "plain" media mix-in should be depreciated in favour of the new media mix-ins.

This speaks to the idea of planning upgrades rather than just surprising people with the aftermath.

Yes, please.

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Digifuzzy,

 

That request is a bit of a challenge, seeing as we have only 3 day-to-day developers, including myself, so we do need to stay focused on having an efficient development process, and yet I understand the benefits of what you are asking for and will look into ways to address it.

 

-Daniel

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That request is a bit of a challenge, seeing as we have only 3 day-to-day developers, including myself, so we do need to stay focused on having an efficient development process, and yet I understand the benefits of what you are asking for and will look into ways to address it.

Daniel,

Appreciate the thought. I saw some of the bug reports that came through in the aftermath after the upgrade. It probably put stress on those few devs. They work hard to put something out and then have to work harder in the aftermath.

 

If I felt more confident about helping, I'd be right there with you folks digging into the code/ebuilds...

 

THX :)

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I think the general idea is great.  Users sometimes have to spend a lot of time figuring out the right drivers and codecs to load and this will alleviate that. 

 

On the other hand, you only have to look at the screen shot thread to see that slim desktops are a common theme in funtoo.  Perhaps the base media mix-in could only pull in the mediadevice-base and a new mediaformat-*-essential level of media formats.

 

Alternately, maybe a new slim-desktop flavor could be created.

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Good idea. I'd be open to that. We could also add mediaformats-light to give people the basics they need to have a functional desktop that can read the most popular formats.

 

On the "keeping users abreast of upcoming changes" front, I'm planning to leverage the news system on the wiki, tweets and forums posts more -- to pre-announce rather than to post-announce.

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