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  1. I've got one machine where I can't install Gnome, since it keeps pulling in systemd beside having the gnome mix-in enabled: $ epro === Enabled Profiles: === arch: x86-64bit build: current subarch: native_64 flavor: desktop mix-ins: gnome When I run "emerge -p gnome-light", I a lot of blocking packages: [blocks B ] sys-apps/sysvinit ("sys-apps/sysvinit" is blocking sys-apps/systemd-236-r5) [blocks B ] >=sys-apps/systemd-197 (">=sys-apps/systemd-197" is blocking sys-auth/nss-myhostname-0.3) [blocks B ] sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration ("sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-3.2.2-r1) [blocks B ] sys-apps/systemd ("sys-apps/systemd" is blocking app-admin/openrc-settingsd-1.0.1) [blocks B ] sys-auth/nss-myhostname ("sys-auth/nss-myhostname" is blocking sys-apps/systemd-236-r5) [blocks B ] sys-fs/eudev ("sys-fs/eudev" is blocking sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-7, sys-apps/systemd-236-r5) [blocks B ] sys-apps/systemd ("sys-apps/systemd" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-3.2.2-r1) Since this worked on other machines, there must the something wrong with my setup. Is it maybe because I've installed gcc 7.2.0? Full output: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/vWzj7HjakjBEolJHWisp/ emerge --info: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/cHtd5yZI2jFVUEssFYjp/
  2. Renich

    My 2 cents on systemd

    Hello, Funtoo community, I am a happy desktop and server user of Funtoo. I consider this community as good and awesome as the best FOSS communities out there. I am, of those, who actually have fun using Funtoo. That said, I want to express my honest opinion on our systemd stance. Now, before I start, this is not: * a request * a claim for support * a rant This is only my opinion and, since we coexist in a free and friendly community, I think this is the right place to post this. Systemd has been adopted by many of the important GNU & Linux distributions all around. It is the standard in all the new main stream distributions; or, at least, most of them. This is not because they're all blockheads and made the decision to switch just for the sake of fashion. Then again, I have not read the code and am not aware of the specifics. It is used a lot and it will be the industry standard for servers and embedded systems. We do not use it. We consider it trash. We, also, alienate ourselves from the rest of the industry and become something totally different; which makes it really hard to be considered as a serious alternative OS for the aforementioned. One can, always, implement it as far as one can and use it wherever it is possible. It's, still, hard to convince my manager/client that Funtoo is awesome, though. Systemd is not bad at all. I've used it since I come from Fedora. To me, it is really simple to use, well documented and easy to understand. It manages almost every aspect of the system; and keeps growing since almost every upstream project is using it and contributing to it. It is destined to become better. Meanwhile, we cannot even use it since it is not supported. This choice is not given to us. One has to go against our distro in order to try it out or test it's implementation. The alternative is to switch to Gentoo; but I didn't come to Funtoo to start using Gentoo. Hey, OpenRC is not bad at all. It might lack some functionality or, maybe, it is my ignorance talking. Anyway, it is what we use and what we have. It boots fast and it's able to get the job done and pretty well. It is easy to use and stuff... but I don't see upstream distributions adopting it nor contributing in any way. <Sigh>... I just think we had a choice here... that's all.
  3. It's said Funtoo will create a new init system, is there any news on that? I ever came across VoidLinux.eu who uses runit and works impressive. jazzi
  4. I'm trying to set up an initramfs in order to get Plymouth working, but it complains about a missing systemd file even though I don't use systemd. As I understand it, genkernel-next shouldn't require systemd to work. whitegiant linux-3.17.2-gentoo # genkernel --kernel-config=/usr/src/linux-3.17.2-gentoo/.config --plymouth-theme=solar initramfs * Gentoo Linux Genkernel; Version 58 * Running with options: --kernel-config=/usr/src/linux-3.17.2-gentoo/.config --plymouth-theme=solar initramfs * Using genkernel.conf from /etc/genkernel.conf * Sourcing arch-specific config.sh from /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/config.sh .. * Sourcing arch-specific modules_load from /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load .. * Linux Kernel 3.17.2-gentoo for x86... * .. with config file /usr/src/linux-3.17.2-gentoo/.config * busybox: >> Using cache * initramfs: >> Initializing... * >> Appending base_layout cpio data... * >> Appending udev cpio data... cp: cannot stat ?/lib/udev/rules.d/99-systemd.rules?: No such file or directory * cannot copy /lib/udev/rules.d/99-systemd.rules from udev cp: cannot stat ?/lib/systemd/network/99-default.link?: No such file or directory * cannot copy /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link from udev * >> Appending auxilary cpio data... * >> Copying keymaps * >> Appending busybox cpio data... * >> Appending modules cpio data... * >> Appending blkid cpio data... * >> Appending plymouth cpio data... * >> Installing plymouth [ using the solar theme and plugin: "space-flares" ]... cpio: libc.so.6: Cannot stat: No such file or directory cpio: libdl.so.2: Cannot stat: No such file or directory cpio: libm.so.6: Cannot stat: No such file or directory cpio: librt.so.1: Cannot stat: No such file or directory cpio: libudev.so.1: Cannot stat: No such file or directory cpio: libz.so.1: Cannot stat: No such file or directory * ERROR: Binary /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link or some of its library dependencies could not be copied * * -- Grepping log... -- * * Running with options: --kernel-config=/usr/src/linux-3.17.2-gentoo/.config --plymouth-theme=solar initramfs * Using genkernel.conf from /etc/genkernel.conf * Sourcing arch-specific config.sh from /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/config.sh .. * Sourcing arch-specific modules_load from /usr/share/genkernel/arch/x86/modules_load .. * * ERROR: Binary /lib/systemd/network/99-default.link or some of its library dependencies could not be copied * * -- End log... -- * * Please consult /var/log/genkernel.log for more information and any * errors that were reported above. * * Report any genkernel bugs to bugs.gentoo.org and * assign your bug to genkernel@gentoo.org. Please include * as much information as you can in your bug report; attaching * /var/log/genkernel.log so that your issue can be dealt with effectively. * * Please do *not* report compilation failures as genkernel bugs! *
  5. I noticed how much effort went into getting Gnome 3 to run without systemd. But I'm interested what was the reason for not switching to it? I had a look at the comparison table ( http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_init_systems ) and it seems to me that probably the "Hard-to-debug monolithic startup in undocumented C" might be it. Am I correct?
  6. thiagowfx

    Trouble with dbus / systemd?

    Hi, I just installed Funtoo (yesterday), but right now I am having trouble to emerge a couple of packages. Examples include xfce4-meta, nemo, thunar, pcmanfm, cinnamon, and others. However, the trouble is the same for all of them: it is something related to a conflict between dbus and systemd. Just to be clear, I don't really want systemd, OpenRC is really fine, but it seems that the packages I cited before depend on systemd (at least indirectly). As I'm not completely sure on how to describe the problem, I'll just output a couple of outputs. What should I do to install those packages? thiago@ideapad ~ $ sudo emerge thunar Password: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] sys-libs/libseccomp-2.1.1 USE="-static-libs" [ebuild N ] net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.4.4 USE="X egl gstreamer introspection jit opengl webgl (-aqua) -coverage -debug -geoloc -gles2 -libsecret -spell {-test} -wayland" [ebuild N ] net-libs/gnome-online-accounts-3.12.4 USE="gnome introspection -debug -kerberos" [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gvfs-1.20.2 USE="gnome-online-accounts gtk http udev udisks -afp -archive -avahi -bluray -cdda -fuse -gphoto2 -ios -libsecret -mtp -samba -systemd {-test}" [ebuild N ] sci-geosciences/geocode-glib-3.12.2 USE="introspection {-test}" [ebuild N ] xfce-base/thunar-1.6.3 USE="dbus libnotify pcre startup-notification udisks -debug -exif {-test}" XFCE_PLUGINS="trash" [ebuild N ] sys-apps/systemd-216 USE="acl firmware-loader introspection kmod pam policykit python seccomp ssl -audit -cryptsetup -curl -doc -elfutils -gcrypt -gudev -http -idn (-kdbus) -lz4 -lzma -qrcode (-selinux) {-test} -vanilla" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7 (-python3_2) -python3_3 -python3_4" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3 (-python3_2) -python3_4" [ebuild R ] sys-apps/dbus-1.8.8 USE="systemd*" [ebuild N ] sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-4 [uninstall ] sys-auth/nss-myhostname-0.3 [blocks b ] sys-auth/nss-myhostname ("sys-auth/nss-myhostname" is blocking sys-apps/systemd-216) [blocks b ] >=sys-apps/systemd-197 (">=sys-apps/systemd-197" is blocking sys-auth/nss-myhostname-0.3) [uninstall ] app-admin/openrc-settingsd-1.0.1 [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.12.2 USE="colord cups i18n policykit short-touchpad-timeout ubuntu udev -debug (-openrc-force) (-packagekit) -smartcard {-test}" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.12.1-r3 USE="bluetooth colord cups gnome-online-accounts i18n -debug -deprecated -kerberos -v4l" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-session-3.12.1 USE="ipv6 ubuntu -debug -doc -gconf -systemd" [blocks B ] sys-apps/systemd ("sys-apps/systemd" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-1.5.3-r2, app-admin/openrc-settingsd-1.0.1) !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been pulled !!! into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: sys-apps/dbus:0 (sys-apps/dbus-1.8.8::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by >=sys-apps/dbus-1.6.8-r1:0[systemd] required by (sys-apps/systemd-216::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) (sys-apps/dbus-1.8.8::gentoo, installed) pulled in by (no parents that aren't satisfied by other packages in this slot) !!! Enabling --newuse and --update might solve this conflict. !!! If not, it might help emerge to give a more specific suggestion. The error I'm referring to is the last one. I also tried with --newuse and --update, of course: thiago@ideapad ~ $ sudo emerge --newuse --update thunar Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] sys-libs/libseccomp-2.1.1 USE="-static-libs" [ebuild N ] sys-apps/systemd-216 USE="acl firmware-loader introspection kmod pam policykit python seccomp ssl -audit -cryptsetup -curl -doc -elfutils -gcrypt -gudev -http -idn (-kdbus) -lz4 -lzma -qrcode (-selinux) {-test} -vanilla" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_7 (-python3_2) -python3_3 -python3_4" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_7 python3_3 (-python3_2) -python3_4" [ebuild R ] sys-apps/dbus-1.8.8 USE="systemd*" [ebuild N ] sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-4 [uninstall ] sys-auth/nss-myhostname-0.3 [blocks b ] sys-auth/nss-myhostname ("sys-auth/nss-myhostname" is blocking sys-apps/systemd-216) [blocks b ] >=sys-apps/systemd-197 (">=sys-apps/systemd-197" is blocking sys-auth/nss-myhostname-0.3) [uninstall ] app-admin/openrc-settingsd-1.0.1 [ebuild N ] net-libs/webkit-gtk-2.4.4 USE="X egl gstreamer introspection jit opengl webgl (-aqua) -coverage -debug -geoloc -gles2 -libsecret -spell {-test} -wayland" [ebuild N ] net-libs/gnome-online-accounts-3.12.4 USE="gnome introspection -debug -kerberos" [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gvfs-1.20.2 USE="gnome-online-accounts gtk http udev udisks -afp -archive -avahi -bluray -cdda -fuse -gphoto2 -ios -libsecret -mtp -samba -systemd {-test}" [ebuild N ] sci-geosciences/geocode-glib-3.12.2 USE="introspection {-test}" [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.12.2 USE="colord cups i18n policykit short-touchpad-timeout ubuntu udev -debug (-openrc-force) (-packagekit) -smartcard {-test}" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.12.1-r3 USE="bluetooth colord cups gnome-online-accounts i18n -debug -deprecated -kerberos -v4l" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" [ebuild N ] gnome-base/gnome-session-3.12.1 USE="ipv6 ubuntu -debug -doc -gconf -systemd" [ebuild N ] xfce-base/thunar-1.6.3 USE="dbus libnotify pcre startup-notification udisks -debug -exif {-test}" XFCE_PLUGINS="trash" [blocks B ] sys-apps/systemd ("sys-apps/systemd" is blocking sys-fs/eudev-1.5.3-r2, app-admin/openrc-settingsd-1.0.1) * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be * installed at the same time on the same system. (sys-apps/systemd-216::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by >=sys-apps/systemd-31 required by (gnome-base/gnome-control-center-3.12.1-r3::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) sys-apps/systemd required by (gnome-base/gnome-settings-daemon-3.12.2::elementary, ebuild scheduled for merge) >=sys-apps/systemd-207 required by (sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-4::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) sys-apps/systemd:0= required by (sys-apps/dbus-1.8.8::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) (sys-fs/eudev-1.5.3-r2::gentoo, installed) pulled in by >=sys-fs/eudev-1.5.3-r1:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?,gudev,introspection?,static-libs?] (>=sys-fs/eudev-1.5.3-r1:0/0[abi_x86_64(-),gudev,introspection,static-libs]) required by (virtual/libgudev-215::gentoo, installed) >=sys-fs/eudev-1.3:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_ppc_32(-)?,abi_ppc_64(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?,static-libs?] (>=sys-fs/eudev-1.3:0/0[abi_x86_64(-),static-libs]) required by (virtual/libudev-215::gentoo, installed) For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant): http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked thiago@ideapad ~ $ cat /etc/make.conf # These settings were set by the metro build script that automatically built this stage. # Please consult /etc/portage/make.conf.example for a more detailed example. CFLAGS="-march=corei7 -O2 -pipe" CXXFLAGS="-march=corei7 -O2 -pipe" MAKEOPTS="-j5" VIDEO_CARDS="intel i915 i965" LINGUAS="en pt" LANGUAGE="en_US pt_BR" source /var/lib/layman/make.conf thiago@ideapad ~ $ cat /etc/portage/package.use sys-kernel/debian-sources binary # required by x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel-2.99.916 # required by xf86-video-intel (argument) >=x11-libs/libdrm-2.4.56 video_cards_intel # required by x11-wm/i3-4.8[pango] # required by i3 (argument) >=x11-libs/cairo-1.12.16-r3 xcb # required by dev-qt/qtcore-4.8.5-r2[qt3support] # required by media-sound/spotify-0.9.11.27 # required by spotify (argument) >=dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r3:4 qt3support # required by dev-qt/qt3support-4.8.5 # required by dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r3[qt3support] # required by media-sound/spotify-0.9.11.27 # required by spotify (argument) >=dev-qt/qtsql-4.8.5:4 qt3support # required by dev-qt/qtgui-4.8.5-r3 # required by media-sound/spotify-0.9.11.27 # required by spotify (argument) >=dev-qt/qtcore-4.8.5-r2:4 qt3support # required by sys-devel/clang-3.5.0-r100 # required by clang (argument) =sys-devel/llvm-3.5.0 clang # required by media-video/vlc-2.1.5 # required by vlc (argument) >=sys-libs/zlib-1.2.8-r1 minizip # required by sys-apps/systemd-216 # required by sys-apps/gentoo-systemd-integration-4 >=sys-apps/dbus-1.8.8 systemd thiago@ideapad ~ $ eselect profile list Currently available arch profiles: [1] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/arch/x86-64bit * [2] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/arch/pure64 Currently available build profiles: [3] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/build/stable [4] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/build/current * [5] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/build/experimental Currently available flavor profiles: [6] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/flavor/minimal [7] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/flavor/core [8] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/flavor/desktop * [9] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/flavor/workstation [10] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/flavor/hardened Currently available mix-ins profiles: [11] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/audio (auto) [12] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/cinnamon * [13] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/console-extras (auto) [14] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/dvd (auto) [15] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/gnome [16] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/kde [17] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/mate [18] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/media (auto) [19] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/print (auto) [20] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/python3-only [21] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/rhel5-compat [22] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/server-db [23] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/server-mail [24] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/server-web [25] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/X (auto) [26] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/xfce * [27] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/vmware-guest [28] funtoo/1.0/linux-gnu/mix-ins/hardened
  7. Phoronix: Using Udev Without Systemd Is Going To Become Harder http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTczNjI Funtoo with eudev works very well for my purposes and so I have not dabbled with systemd. No doubt other distros and users are very happy with it. I am ignorant to the politics and decision making around systemd and udev. It does seem to me disappointing that udev would be changed in such a way that it breaks functionality with non-systemd init daemons. If that is not "forcing distros to use systemd" then I don't know what is. -_-
  8. 666threesixes666

    FOAMing at the mouth

    ok so im starting to get curious as to how far away funtoo is from systemd. (from what im gathering miles compared to gentoo) so i load up a lilo entry that inits systemd per wiki.gentoo.org lilo page. that goes fine.... i get an error about it not liking my /dev/sdb1 /home partition. fine ill disable its mounting for now..... (exact error, "a start job is running for dev-sdb1.device") disabled and try number 5ish.... defeat booting in openrc its throwing some strange errors that do not affect any booting or performance. line 11 invalid in /usr/lib64/tmpfiles.d/systemd.conf && line 18 invalid in (not sure yet it scrolls past quick.... xorg something or other) (under systemd it said login system or something like that failed) (im pretty sure this thread would resolve line 11 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2011-May/002371.html) && (http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-989870.html?sid=ce206b11c1aa8b59a43e17ead32770e8) &&&&&& i get to slim! i tried to log in as root forgetting i have disabled root on this box in favor of sudo su from a false root user account. (logging in as root as i have not mounted /home to disable the waiting for sdb1 device error as above) again im just scratching the surface of systemd out of curiosity. systemd is not impossible under funtoo, but it definitely will take quite a bit of time and resources to get it to working status. further noting that i am not pro nor anti systemd, but i am a staunch user of openrc even on my gentoo box that systemd works perfectly for. the systemd is just too damn awkward for me to get used to yet. it runs like a turd on my gentoo box, it REALLY runs like a turd on my funtoo box. im of the opinion that monit is a superior alternative, make essential boot things be handled by openrc and make monit start up other services a bit later on. (as in load terminals and x immediately via openrc, and load web server ssh server ftp server other non essential server services after x is done loading.) " <threesixes> yeah lol im not looking for support, or answers, or trolls... just harmless exploring" upstream says # CONFIG_FHANDLE is not set should be m or y probably y update-6-27-2014: ok shotwell's being a turd compiling, turns out systemd default use flags to -gudev rebuilding systemd i caught the messages...... * It's recommended to set an empty value to the following kernel config option: * CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER_PATH="/sbin/hotplug" * Checking for suitable kernel configuration options... * CONFIG_FANOTIFY: is not set when it should be. * Please check to make sure these options are set correctly. * Failure to do so may cause unexpected problems.
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