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tested the various methods and limits myself.
No questions now so delete the post. :D
PS...pkexec is the trendy new toy but it is a larger pain in the arse then just doing anything else.
Made a script to generate the org.xfce.APP.policy file for /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/
Not so bad now. Used Thunar for the master.
I think these .policy files should be installed with the app since gksu is on its way out.
SIDE NOTE:
Got everything working like I wanted just like the way I had it in Debian but better. Funtoo is the best!
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x11-wm/compiz-0.8.8 is missing which breaks all the 0.8.8 compiz ebuilds.
x11-wm/emerald-0.9.5 is missing. Other ebuilds of emerald don't work either.
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nice one Otakku.
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I had the same issue. Just started today after a sync of portage.
login as root:
$ su
then sync the database.
# emerge --sync
That resolved it for me.
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Cheers!
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Renich, on 01 Jul 2015 - 01:13 AM, said:
I am, of those, who actually have fun using Funtoo.
Good for you. The rest of us hate it. It's just too fast and too lean for my liking. Maybe there's a way we can fatten it up and slow it down? END SARCASM
Renich
Systemd has been adopted by many of the important GNU & Linux distributions all around. It is the standard in all the new main stream distributions; or, at least, most of them. This is not because they're all blockheads and made the decision to switch just for the sake of fashion. Then again, I have not read the code and am not aware of the specifics.
Statistically speaking it's impossible for them to all be blockheads.
As far as switching for the sake of fashion? I think that's what some people have accepted as THEIR reason for switching. It's a coping mechanism. That's what some people do when the distro they are using decides to yank other options out from under them and maybe they aren't advanced enough to prevent it from happening.
By your own admission you haven't read the code and aren't aware of the specifics. That makes me wonder why you would be so eager to convert to systemd??
It is used a lot and it will be the industry standard for servers and embedded systems.
Pure propaganda. I'm guessing you work for RHL.
We do not use it. We consider it trash. We, also, alienate ourselves from the rest of the industry and become something totally different; which makes it really hard to be considered as a serious alternative OS for the aforementioned. One can, always, implement it as far as one can and use it wherever it is possible. It's, still, hard to convince my manager/client that Funtoo is awesome, though.
I think there are quite a few excellent reasons that systemd is considered trash by the majority of funtoo users. I would also venture to guess that the average Funtoo user has had a decade or more of server experience. The current init isn't broken or dysfunctional enough to justify making a dramatic switch to systemd. I'll take alienation.
Would your client's and manager be okay with Gentoo? Install that and then change the init to OpenRC. Now you have Gentoo and nobody gives a darn about the init. You could have saved yourself the headache and installed funtoo and just set the 'branding' use flag to on. Nice Gentoo openrc login page and nobody else is wise about it. ;)
Systemd is not bad at all. I've used it since I come from Fedora. To me, it is really simple to use, well documented and easy to understand. It manages almost every aspect of the system; and keeps growing since almost every upstream project is using it and contributing to it. It is destined to become better.
Okay Lennart. Jokes over. Go back to RHL and quit trolling the funtoo forums.
Meanwhile, we cannot even use it since it is not supported. This choice is not given to us. One has to go against our distro in order to try it out or test it's implementation. The alternative is to switch to Gentoo; but I didn't come to Funtoo to start using Gentoo.
Well one of the key points of Funtoo is the anti-systemd approach. Everything is working well without it. Why would anyone want to pollute this OS? I'd put Funtoo up against any systemd based distro and we can compare performance and reliability. No doubt who the winner will be.
One thing I learned is it's hard to fight a distro that isn't moving in the direction you want. It would be much easier for you to move to Gentoo or a systemd based distro then stick to Funtoo. I fought systemd in Debian testing and there was virtually something new to weed out on a three times a week basis. I gave up and came to Funtoo and have no regrets. If Debian dumps systemd tomorrow I'd still stay with Funtoo. The core group in charge of this distro are top notch.
Hey, OpenRC is not bad at all. It might lack some functionality or, maybe, it is my ignorance talking. Anyway, it is what we use and what we have. It boots fast and it's able to get the job done and pretty well. It is easy to use and stuff... but I don't see upstream distributions adopting it nor contributing in any way.
What functionality is OpenRC lacking exactly that you need on a daily basis for your personal use or server use?
By your own admission it boots fast, get's the job done and is easy to use....but since other distributions decided to be wreckless and make the switch you think you need to do the same too?
Sounds like you want to switch for the 'sake of fashion'.
As far as upstream distributions? There are a few that still have it as an option. Arch/Manjaro comes to mind. My 2nd favorite distro behind Funtoo at the moment is this one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro-openrc/files/15.09/xfce+ob/ IMAGES
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I'll just leave this here:
Two seperate people. Two seperate opinions(although I agree with all his points)
It's two individuals who have arrived at Funtoo for different reasons so I don't get the point you are trying to make.
I use gas in my car. You use gas in your car. Does that mean we have the same beliefs?
I do hate systemd. FACT. Everything about it. FACT.
Why? This is reason enough:
Invasive and growing. At this rate there will be only one Linux to choose from. Redhat.
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And FYI, comparing the init logic and saying its only 2K lines and sooo small ... its still 1.6MB compared to 37K for funtoo's init. So who's shoveling the BS? That's how many times larger? A few orders of magnitude
More about me at https://eddon.systems
It's roughly 50x the size cause it's that much better. :D
I guess the obvious point to make is........
Dude....this is Funtoo. Go find another forum to troll your jibberish to. Seriously.....Funtoo man. FUNTOO!
One of the primary reasons people come to Funtoo is.....NO SYSTEMD!!!!!!!!
Please go peddle this somewhere else. I'm confident the MAJORITY of Funtoo users do not want, need or care for systemd and MOSTLY not for what it does or doesn't do but because of how it goes against EVERYTHING Linux is fundamentally meant to be.....SIMPLE...and do ONE THING....and do it WELL.
You of course can say whatever you want like I can. Freedom of speech. It's just this is really the wrong forum/website/place to be promoting shitdomD.
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If anyone is interested in learning systemd (not SystemD...they get whiny over improper case use) then look here:
https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/SystemdCrashAndMore
http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/posts/systemd-assumptions-bullying-consent.html
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Is it just me or did we revert back to Emerald 0.8.8?
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Compiz websites are badly broken. Looks like its dead.
Anyone know where I can find this?Thanks.
Grab it while you can HERE!
Is it just me or did we revert back to Emerald 0.8.8
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Personally I think a new trend is moving upward away from systemd.
I've witnessed several colleagues ditching OS's that they had used for a decade because they were being forced into systemd.
I believe a fork of Linux may be on the horizon since some of the larger distros have removed the support and option for other init systems.
Funtoo is at the forefront of this movement. HIP HIP HOORAY for FUNTOO! x3
Thanks DR and company.
My only regret is it took systemd for me to serioulsy look at Funtoo. It's great! Super lean and super fast. Best OS in the land!
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My experience with systemd is that when it decided to take a dump and crash there would be nothing in the log or a corrupt log which required a deletion and reboot.
What good is the log at this point? Rinse, repeat, CRASH!! over and over.
And not only that I would see errors generated that pointed away from systemd...in the wrong direction....but the problem would be something in systemd.
Removing it and the other rubbish...ie..libsystemd...and my Debian system was stable.
My definition of stable is no crashes or reboots for months. Only when I did a dist-upgrade did I need to reboot.
Lets assume it's a problem with the people managing Debians packages. Systemd is perfekt-o-mundo.
Is one not the least bit concerned with the way it is rapidly growing into this giant snowball that is trying to become as mandatory as the kernel for linux users?
When systemd started it was supposed to be an init system that added modern features and would be quick, reliable, compact...etc....
It's an obvious lie. So why would anyone want to defend systemd when they are continously flip flopping and doing things they said they wouldn't do?
I seriously question the rationale of the supporters. One must be very naive, very lazy or are a puppet for RH or the EN ESS AY.
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1. Prt Sc
2. Open Paint
3. Paste
4. Save as background.jpg and install it as background.
5. Right click on desktop and deselect SHOW ICONS.
Laugh your arse off! :D
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Hello funtooers, I have noticed the lack of Funtoo artwork in general, so I took some time to play around with blender and Inkscape to make some wallpapers(7).
In a search for a base image, I only encountered a small banner with the Funtoo logo, so I did a re-vectorization, and some slight line chages, and this is the outcome, the wallpapers are mostly minimalistic, Also link to a tar.xz with sources (.blend .svg) and pack png of renders in 1920x1080px, I encourage you to play around with the sources and post your results in this thread.
Here's a prewiew from imgur
2d
3d
sources
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t1t3030ddkst6f6/AACB9aR5Mk4rHXnvmN3Skjena?dl=0
PD: I would Also like to ask to the developers if this can go to the wiki? for those, newcomers that will want a funtoo wall for their desktops.
Old thread....last one is my wallpaper. Nice!
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CFLAGS="-march=nehalem -O2 -pipe" CXXFLAGS="-march=nehalem -O2 -pipe" CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" MAKEOPTS="-j9" VIDEO_CARDS="radeon" LINGUAS="en en_US" ACCEPT_LICENSE="*" ABI_X86="64 32" AUTOCLEAN="yes" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx mmxext popcnt sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3" USE="alsa gtk3 opengl introspection ncurses pm-utils synaptics vdpau -deprecated -geoloc -gnome-keyring -ipv6 -pulseaudio -systemd -zeitgeist -Lennart Poettering -Kay Sievers" EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--ask --verbose --jobs --load-average=8 --with-bdeps=y --autounmask-write=y --keep-going=y" INPUT_DEVICES="evdev synaptics" ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" source /var/lib/layman/make.conf
Total Newb here but this seems to work aight.
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Was looking for a menu item not links but thanks.
The bug reporting area is useful as a help area since everything is organized and listed. Good for finding current issues that may be causing problems for an individual at any moment.
I wasn't using it to report a bug so didn't think to look there. I assumed it would be a form. I was wanting to troubleshoot an issue I had.
Maybe a different term could be used in the menus. It's confusing...not that it's the Bug reporting area...but that it is searchable and lists current issues.
Thats why I stated "This needs to be added on the main webpage under Help." It serves multiple purposes.
Thanks.
PS..Boss Man added the menu items Report A Bug and MediaWiki Help since I had posted this in the bugs section about the same time you replied. Thanks DR!
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This needs to be added on the main webpage under Help.
Reported it HERE
I didn't know this section existed. It could have saved me another post if I knew it existed and where to find it.
Thanks.
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Well the systemd guys are making progress I guess.
They've sped up the boot time to make all the reboots you'll be doing faster! Sweet!
I was on Debian Testing for years.
My Debian Testing machine was super stable. In comes systemd and now Debian's testing branch is more like unstable branch because it's very unstable.
I switched to the Devuan and Angband.pl repositories and gutted systemd out of my machine and stability returned.
Even with apt-pinning, systemd and it's dependencies are getting called in everywhere in the repositories and for things that don't need them(wine comes to mind)
It became a nightmare to keep it out so I decided to find an OS that was anti-systemd or at least didn't require it during install.
Found funtoo and it's been great. I've had one hurdle and I posted a message in the forum and got a reply quickly.
Problem solved.
Systemd has tentacles moving in every direction in Linux. At this rapid rate of growth and the attitude of Poettering and friends it seems obvious to me that they are attempting a coup d'?tat starting with change requests to the kernel.
This is madness. Systemd needs to be stopped or Linux will have the reputation of Windows ME.
PS...Pulseaudio??!! To date the default Alsa config works perfectly with my laptops subwoofer. If I install Pulse everything is mapped wrong and audio sliders are combined, etc. Why can pulseaudio not configure my sound properly when Alsa has done it for 5 years? Do we really want the SAME group of people tinkering with the heart of our systems?
I don't believe the propaganda supporting systemd either. I think a lot of the search results are tainted in favor of systemd when using the big search engines. There is an agenda for sure and it's being backed by very large corporations.
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report, please
bug.funtoo.org
bugs.funtoo.org
The bug report is HERE. Please let them know it effects other users.
Google is spidering the forums(or spying depends on how you look at it).
just use the site name in the search...or:
'YOURSEARCHTERM site:forums.funtoo.org'
in the google search box.
I tested this with Firefox 41.0.2 and funtoo forum search has zero results on all searches but google works well since they are crawling the site several times a day.
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Thanks for the quick reply sputnik!
It's back to normal now.
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Started when I tried to install Libreoffice.
During install emerge is running but I can't launch anything.
Rebooted and just get a blinking cursor.
Switched to tty2 and launched XFCE and when it starts the panel blinks for about .25 seconds, vanishes for 4, rinse repeat.
Restored drive.
Tried to update system.
Exactly the same things all over again.
A bit annoyed at the fact that installing an app can zonk the system...an office app of all things.
So...WTF to do when funtoo greets you with the blinking cursor?
I also couldn't install GIMP. Some error message. Have no clue how to handle this shat since I recently arrived from Arch and don't know jack about Portage.
Most of the info I find in searches is discombobulated and/or outdated.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Just came from Manjaro which is one of the best distros on the planet in my opinion.
It's my 2nd favorite now.
Funtoo is super intuitive for anyone that's used Linux before and it gives you a lot more control over the entire system.
I'm running the same setup I had with Manjaro and I am 3 gigs lighter. That's crazy.
Funtoo isn't lying about the speed either. Firefox fully loaded in 1 second on my 5 year old laptop with 1st Gen I7....and that's AFTER a cold boot.
This thing zips. You'll love it!
compiz, emerald
in Portage Help
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I'm using XFCE and have used kwin and compiz both.
kwin does mostly what I want. compiz has a lot more options customizations and I've never had an issue with it.
I was going to test both on this laptop and that's when I discovered the busted links and ebuilds. Thanks.